A reply to HuffPost's rather curious assertion.
Feminist: "Feminism: great for women... also great for men!"
Sane Person: "Uh huh. So when you disrupted a conference on male suicide by pulling fire alarms, singing "Cry Me a River" and offering to collect the male tears of the brothers and sons of the dead, how was that helping men?"
Feminist: "The fact that you question Feminism is the reason we need Feminism!"
Sane Person: "That's a deflection. Why don't you answer the question?"
Feminist: "Why do you hate women?"
Mackenzie Traylor (Feminist) replied:
Those aren't feminists. Those are people acting under the name of feminism who have no idea what the movement is truly about, and who don't care what the movement is about.
Those are people who are trying to use a good movement for their own selfish needs. Every movement has people like that. It's horrible. But, they should not be allowed to define the movement itself.
Those aren't feminists. Feminists are supporting the discussion. Feminists truly understand the gender inequality and strive to end it. Feminists do not ignore the problems of another gender or race or sexual identity.
Those women you're talking about aren't feminists. They're just using the title to carry on their petty little acts. They're ruining the reputation of a good movement.
For a not-a-feminist, it's funny how welcome she was to feminist conferences,
how feminist bookstores sold her books,
& how feminists taught her work in feminist courses in Universities.
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"Those aren't feminists."
|Andrea Dworkin, the founder of modern Feminism, |
the person who set up Gender Studies courses at Universities,
and started Social Justice Warfare.
"Those are people acting under the name of feminism who have no idea what the movement is truly about"
And you alone know the True Feminism? This sounds familiar. How did this Divine Revelation occur? And how come the other lot are follower of the Gourd? Are they not true Brianists - I mean, Feminists?
I wouldn't mind so much if Feminism DID declare itself a religion
- I accept that religions are a matter of faith
|It is interesting to see Islamism and Feminism blurring into each other.|
|Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Female Rights Advocate. |
Which is why she opposes Islam in it's current form.
And why Feminists hate her.
" Those are people who are trying to use a good movement for their own selfish needs."
Do you have any evidence of what is in their mind? Have they written anything to indicate they are insincere? That they don't believe in The Patriarchy(TM)?
They qualify. They are accepted as Feminists by other Feminists, taught their Feminism by Feminists in Feminist courses at Universities, attend Feminist conferences without being removed, etc etc.
To argue that they are not Feminists if they are inconvenient is the same sophistry that was used to excuses the atrocities of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
"they should not be allowed to define the movement itself."
The people leading the movement define the movement.
When Feminist lecturers are telling students to assault journalists, and other Feminists - like you - refuse to campaign against them and change the way Feminism is taught - then you are responsible for what they do.
You might be a nice Nazi - you don't hurt any Jews yourself.
But you always turn away when the smoke comes into your town, you always look away when the trains of people crying and begging for help roll past.
Stop making excuses.
"Feminists are supporting the discussion. "
To support the discussion, you have to allow differing points of view.
Whereabouts do you imagine Feminists do this?
Instead, they campaign to have dissidents silenced - sometimes violently. Might want to look up what happened to Milo recently.
Think about what you mean by "equality". Do you mean equality of opportunity - what Feminists used to fight for - or equality of outcome?
Is it equal to pay one group less than the other on basis of sex?
Prime Minister Gillard "Not a True Feminist"? She had the meaning of a word altered to match the Feminist usage. She's been applauded as a Feminist by Feminist organisations world wide. Suddenly you decide she's not a Feminist - and never was?
"Feminists do not ignore the problems of another gender or race or sexual identity. "
Wow, have you met any Feminists? What planet do these ones come from, because the ones here think the decline in male education is something to celebrate.
Seriously, read a few articles on the Huff Post, change the sexes around, or the races. White boys are the worst off in a lot of ways.
Don't see any feminists complaining about that.
|Indoctrinate a child, |
and you can persuade them to murder in your name.
|You can make children do anything. |
Inform on their parents and their friends,
run death camps.
Adults ask questions.
Adults don't Listen and Believe.
Looking at the dwindling numbers of women who identify as Feminsits - it's doing that to itself quite nicely. No wonder Feminists want to make the teaching of it's ideology compulsory to children. It's unable to recruit by reason, but if it can just catch young minds before they are able to think critically...
Kristen Tea (Feminist) said:
"Because men aren't capable of dealing with their own issues? Feminism must be devoted to fixing all of those issues, in addition to women's abuse, homelessness, rape, etc.? MRAs only bring those men's issues up to counter feminism, not because they actually care about them. When's the last time you organized and donated to men's shelters? Do you know how women's domestic abuse shelters came about? We needed them and created them."
"Because men aren't capable of dealing with their own issues? "
the funny thing about egalitarian movements is they treat people equally.
An egalitarian who sees a homeless couple shivering in the cold doesn't decide only the white person there, or the straight person, gets shelter... they provide shelter for both.
Feminists play favourites. They only care about women - but they take taxes generated by men to solve the problems.
"Feminism must be devoted to fixing all of those issues"
Actually, we're fine with Female Rights Activists who only focus on female rights - but don't actively impede us. Feminists will disrupt any meetings we hold, will alter laws to make funding DV shelters impossible, will continually preach that our very masculinity is toxic and even call for genocide.
When Erin Pizzey set up DV shelters for women, Feminists approved. When she tried to do the same for men, Feminists threatened the lives of her family, and she had to flee the country.
"MRAs only bring those men's issues up to counter feminism"
Father's rights advocates have existed since the Tender Years doctrine. Many MRAs came with the 2nd wave Feminists. We marched in the marches and sang the songs and thought that helping women was just and never dreamt that Feminists would stab us in the back.
Feminists decided men were no longer to be Feminists, but, at best - allies. They sabotaged every effort we made to protect men. They even tried to get us declared terrorists through the SPLC. Feminists actively discriminate against men in the laws they make, and call for even antifeminist thoughts to be criminalised.
Feminists actively harm men.
70% of unprovoked domestic violence is by women
"When's the last time you organized and donated to men's shelters?"
Since Feminists disrupt any meeting to discuss the issue, how the hell do you imagine that can work?
Since Feminists would rather close shelters rather than allow them to be unisex - and that includes open to the sons as well as the daughters! - how would such shelters work?
The blood and sweat of men is used to build the shelters for women - that's taxation, and the taxes should be spent on all of us, according to need - not just white people, not just straight people, and not just female people.
Feminists are gender supremacists.
" Do you know how women's domestic abuse shelters came about? "
Yes. You don't.
"We needed them and created them."
You didn't have anything to do with it. You have no idea who Ms Pizzey is.
The Duluth Model Feminists put into place exists to make damn sure that DV is all gynocentric - that a female abuser can get away with her crimes, that a male victim has nowhere to turn to for help.
Every point you have made indicates you have never checked to see if the things you believe are true.
Someone told you things that you like, and so you believed blindly.
I don't expect you to look at my references, or to research anything outside of feminist opinions. I really don't care if you can be bothered reading a word outside your echo chamber.
But the truth is here, for any open minded person.
They can check - either through my writing or their own research
- if what i have said is true
- by simply venturing outside the Feminist framework, looking at the work of criminologists, of biologists, of psychiatrists and of people like Erin Pizzey who started the fight for men, and who were defeated by your movement, which now lies and lies and lies in order to make sure no protection is extended to men - and every cent is spent on their favoured kind.
Educational Biases against Boys:
“…the research, carried out among 1,200 children in 29 schools across the country (England), had shown a possible reason for the glaring gap in performance between girls and boys right through schooling.
It also revealed that girls tried harder if they had a male teacher because they believed they would get better marks.
Their suspicions were not borne out, though, as the male teachers tended to give them exactly the same marks as the external examiners.
The study showed boys believed their answers would be 3 per cent lower if marked by a woman. The girls thought their results would be 6 per cent higher if marked by a man.”
"...female teachers did, on average, award lower marks to boys than unidentified external examiners. Male teachers, by contrast, awarded them higher marks than external examiners."
The Independent, Students’ Perceptions of Teacher Biases: Experimental Economics in Schools - Study
It would be interesting to see how the marks would be if the examiners had nothing to clue them as to which sex the student was.
I have heard elsewhere that female teachers mark boys down because they see them as defective girls. So if a paper is handed in with a female name at the top, a female teacher - especially a feminist teacher - will mark it up - and mark it down when they see a male name.
Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor:
- "I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." —
-"I haven’t the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill,... I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. ...possibly not exist? No, I really don’t mean that. Yes, I really do."
-"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire."
-"kill your fathers, not your mothers".
Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto
-"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo."
-"there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex."
"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things."
— Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)
"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." — Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW
-"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." —
-"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice."
-"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies."
-"Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."
-"To be rapeable, a position that is social, not biological, defines what a woman is."
-"The annihilation of a woman’s personality, individuality, will, character, is prerequisite to male sexuality."
"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" — Ti-Grace Atkinson
"Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice." — Ti-Grace Atkinson
"Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" — Susan Brownmiller; Authoress of Against Our Will p.6
"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression." — Sheila Jeffrys
"Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated." — Catherine MacKinnon
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." — Catherine MacKinnon
"You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs."
— Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.)
"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent."
— Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies.
"The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men." — Sharon Stone; Actress
"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.
"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference."
— Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.
"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." —Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.
"If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them." - David Angier
"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins
"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE."
— Marilyn French (her emphasis)
"All men are rapists and that’s all they are"
— Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)
"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations…obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign."
— Marilyn French
"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it."
— Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman.
"A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’
— Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)
"I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, ‘hate in love,’ for the men women share their lives with—husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers."
— Judith Levine, Authoress of My Enemy, My love
"There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in (the male) world.
Distinctions between pleasure and danger are academic; the dirty-laundry list of ‘sex acts’…includes rape, foot binding, fellatio, intercourse, auto eroticism, incest, anal intercourse, use and production of pornography, cunnilingus, sexual harassment, and murder."
[Brett Caton's note - i love the lumping together of anal sex and murder!]
— Judith Levine; summarizing comment on the WAS document, (A southern Women’s Writing Collective: Women Against Sex.)
"Considering the nature and pervasiveness of men’s violence, I would say that without question, children are better off being raised without the presence of men. " — taken from Daphne Patai’s excellent critical work, Heterophobia
"The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist" (National NOW Times, January, 1988)
"Overthrowing capitalism is too small for us" (Gloria Steinem, radical feminist leader, editor of MS magazine)
"Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men…. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft" (from "The Declaration of Feminism," November, 1971)
"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." — Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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